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Was searching for a good film to watch last night so googled best ever comedy adventure films.....seen most of the top ones but one at number 18 or so had me intrigued. Dogma, i had never heard of it before but after reading some reviews gave it a watch. Thoroughly enjoyable film that whilst a comedy throws up some interesting thoughts on religion (its the films topic). Released in 1999 it feels like a b movie in the way it is filmed but dont let that put you off, stars ben affleck, matt damon and supporting cast is chris rock, seyma hayeck, alan rickman.

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1 hour ago, SgtDave said:

Was searching for a good film to watch last night so googled best ever comedy adventure films.....seen most of the top ones but one at number 18 or so had me intrigued. Dogma, i had never heard of it before but after reading some reviews gave it a watch. Thoroughly enjoyable film that whilst a comedy throws up some interesting thoughts on religion (its the films topic). Released in 1999 it feels like a b movie in the way it is filmed but dont let that put you off, stars ben affleck, matt damon and supporting cast is chris rock, seyma hayeck, alan rickman.

It's the film I always remember Alan Rickman for and that set me on the road to explore Kevin Smith's other work...which I then discovered was drivel.

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Rogue One. Turned out nice again! I think the two Star Wars films have probably doubled the number of Disney films I actually like. The only trouble with the Star Wars franchise is I always care more about the side characters than I do the protagonists - the droids and aliens are far more interesting than the humans.

I have to say I wasn't expecting such a drastic ending, but it did a great job of making the Death Star actually worth caring about and just avoided what I thought was an inevitable romantic interlude. K the droid was brilliant, Vader was menacing as ever and the weird mask breathing guy  was pretty cool too.

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5 hours ago, mus422 said:

The Assassins Creed movie - what a complete waste of talent - utter mess

You're surprised?

Has there ever been a decent 'movie from a game'?

I recently watched the latest Hitman (the one with Rupert Friend as 47). I enjoyed it tbh, but it ain't gonna win no Oscars.

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14 hours ago, Nige said:

You're surprised?

Has there ever been a decent 'movie from a game'?

I recently watched the latest Hitman (the one with Rupert Friend as 47). I enjoyed it tbh, but it ain't gonna win no Oscars.

Not surprised it was poor no, just surprised how poor it actually was. Especially given the talent involved.

The Tomb Raider movies are watchable, but maybe that was due to Angelina Jolie than the scripts.

 

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Yesterday I watched Ant-Man and Doctor Strange.

I really enjoyed Ant-Man, very easy going and quite a few laughs. I had very little expectations as I didn't have any knowledge of the super hero (other than seeing the bits in Civil War). Did seem a bit more 'kid friendly' than the slightly darker Marvel films.

Which brings me on to Doctor Strange, still enjoyable but heavy on the visual effects. Benedict Cumberbatch's accent felt odd as well.

Marvel do make some excellent entertainment though.

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1 hour ago, Nige said:

Apparently they're already planning an origins movie for Ant-Man.

 

 

It's called Tony-Boy.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get me coat.

I've heard it'll feature his kid sidekick, Dec-Lad.

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Saw Dunkirk the other day. It's a film that should be watched on the big screen and for once the over loud sound in the cinema actually goes well with the film. I really enjoyed it and it left me unexpectedly patriotic and made me want to kill a German, or at least tut loudly in their direction. (Only joking about the killing part, just in case anyone takes me literally)

Not sure you can have a glorious defeat, but this film made it feel like one.

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Watched Valerian yesterday - beautiful looking film but it felt curiously soulless and the "lead" actors were dull as ditch water. I kept wishing they'd put Bruce Wills and Mila Jovovitch in the film and made it a sequel to The Fifth Element 

I also don't get the interest in Cara Delvingne - annoying pouty face and as for those Muppet eyebrows....

So overall not the film I was hoping for sadly

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7 hours ago, mus422 said:

 " ... annoying pouty face and as for those Muppet eyebrows...."

I've said exactly the same about Mick Jagger in every movie he's been in.

Whenever I see on screen some stick-thin waif who can't act,  I ask the wife: ”famous model? teeny pop star?"

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I saw The Last Jedi last night and wasn't overly impressed.

Spoiler

The good:

  • Beautifully shot with gorgeous CGI. The muted shot of the shuttle blasting through the fleet at lightspeed was one of the most visually stunning things I've seen in a film for a while.
  • Mark Hamill and Adam Driver excelled at playing conflicted characters.

The bad:

  • Too much unnecessary humour. Disney films are riddled with it lately and it works for newer properties where a light spattering of comedy gels well, but not with Star Wars. The "your mum" joke (I turned to my friend in disbelief) was the tip of a stupidly oversized iceberg that kept ramming into what could've been poignant moments. Luke dusting off his shoulder? Really? Why not just have him look menacingly just off camera? Honestly, it would've felt far more Star Wars-y if it was all dialed back a bit with a few Porgs every so often.
  • Not enough Rey. TFA began her journey to Jedi super-stardom only to have TLJ relegate all that to a B or even a C plot in favour of whatever the hell Finn and Rose (smh) were up to. TFA may as well have not happened.
  • Rose. Sweet but stupendously irritating.
  • The beginnings of a Rose-Finn-Rey love triangle. DID THEY LEARN NOTHING FROM THE HOBBIT TRILOGY?!?!?!
  • Entirely unnecessary plot points. That casino planet/horse race thing could be cut without consequence. It sparked a new rebellion among those kids, but even they weren't essential.
  • Plot points that we thought were significant but really only served to move the story along in the smallest of ways i.e. Snoke.
  • Snoke being all-seeing and all-powerful but conveniently missing Kylo's decision to cut him in half.
  • Phasma barely getting any more screen time than in TFA and not doing anything even remotely clever.
  • Flying Leia.
  • Maz Kanata's cinematic Skyping.
  • Exposition-heavy dialogue. "We should do this thing so let's go this way and do the thing, kay?" (see Rose)
  • Choosing to stick with the good vs evil cliche. For the briefest of moments I thought we were going to see i) Rey go to the Dark Side and Luke having to battle both her and Kylo or ii) Kylo joining the Jedi again to battle against Snoke. Both would've been far more interesting compared to what we got.
  • Finally, my biggest gripe - making the entire film about running away very, very slowly with a few obstacles in the way just to make it seem like there's a story. The rebel fleet had 18 hours of fuel and it felt like we were being forced to watch them use it in real time. How much of the total runtime was spent watching that handful of ships slowly retreat, only to end up obliterated? I drifted off somewhere around the time Rey left Luke's island, woke up again while she was with Snoke and the fleet STILL hadn't gone anywhere. And when they evacuated to the outpost, ooooooooooh boy was it enthralling watching them stand behind a big door awaiting the arrival of a battering ram before running away through a huge network of caves that they definitely had no way of noticing upon their arrival(!) I've witnessed two-day-long streams of Epic Battle Simulator be more engaging than the first act of this film.

 

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Counterpoint!

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED The Last Jedi. I will hold my hands up as a Star Wars geek - it is so closely bound up with my childhood that it's hard for me to be properly objective.

That said, I was utterly disappointed with the prequels, and as far as I'm concerned George Lucas spent the last years of his ownership of the property trying to ruin the original movies.

But.

I loved The Force Awakens. I know some call it derivative - I'd simply say it re-uses themes from the original. Last Jedi? again - some callbacks, but entirely a Star Wars Movie. And a Samurai Movie.

I can see why some have issues with the pacing - I had no problem with it. Interesting to have a major threat as a creeping dread rather than a big bang.

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Right: Spoiler time...

Spoiler

People seem up in arms about Luke's duel with Kylo Ren. "Luke brushing dust off his shoulder? WHY DOESN'T HE BLOODY WELL DAB AND UTTERLY RUIN IT MORE??!?!?"

To my mind people are missing the point. It's misdirection. He has to utterly convince Kylo Ren that he is physically present, or his diversion won't work. Plus he has to make him so angry that he won't think clearly. There are clues for viewers - how did he get into the base? What ship did he use? More importantly, WHY STOP FOR A HAIRCUT ON THE WAY???

With regard to Snoke's death, I think it was a massively ballsy move. He literally telegraphed everything that was going on - "He moves the lightsaber into position. He prepares to ignite it to strike down his greatest enemy" without realising that HE was Kylo's greatest enemy. It showed how powerful Kylo Ren actually was, and why Luke was so scared of him, rather than just keep people thinking "Why did he lose to a scavenger the first time she picked up the saber???"

There were such great, emotional points too.

Leia FINALLY getting to use the Force

The sacrifice of Admiral Holdo. I didn't see a cruiser going into hyperdrive, I saw the last desperate slash of a dying samurai's katana - and the silence fitted perfectly.

"Help me Obi-Wan"

And as for "No one is ever really gone" then I was practically in bits at that stage.

The "Binary Sunset" was a real "Nonononono" moment for me, but I still loved it. And Hamill will be back, glowing blue, I'm sure of it.

 

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What the Doc said.

I think the rebooted movies are definitely more 'Star Wars' than the episodes 1 to 3.

For me nowadays the measure of how good a Star Wars movie is is determined by how early I get tears in my eyes - It's been 40 years this year since I was ensnared by this universe -  I was away with the opening credits for TFA. Rogue One didn't get me until the end. It was about a quarter of the way through with this one.

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On 12/18/2017 at 8:36 AM, justplainandy said:

Right: Spoiler time...

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There are clues for viewers - how did he get into the base? What ship did he use? More importantly, WHY STOP FOR A HAIRCUT ON THE WAY???

There was a bigger clue than those. Everything that hit/touched the floor kicked up the salt and revealed the red dusty substance underneath. They even showed close ups of Kylo digging his feet into the floor to get traction which revealed the red underneath. Luke on the other hand never made an impression, everything stayed white under his feet.

 

 

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On 20/08/2016 at 10:51 AM, Nige said:

+1 for the Martian.

Watched it last week with my 11 year old niece, who was enthralled and asked her mum if she could watch it again when she got home.

We also watched the first 3 Star Wars films, her first time, and she was equally fascinated!

My niece (now 12) is now a full-on Star Wars geek. She's seen all the movies multiple times, and got up at 6:30 this morning to rewatch TFA In readiness for her watching The Last Jedi tonight - her first Star Wars at the cinema.

We discuss pluses and minuses of each movie, the optimal watching order, and Lucas's decisions with the prequels. She has an encylopdeic knowledge of every character and plot point.

I'm very proud to have inducted a member of the Centennial  generation into the Star Wars Geek universe and call her 'My young apprentice'.

May The Force be with you.

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Also saw the TLJ and I really didnt like it at all. The prequels were better :o !!

People have covered all the reasons why they didnt like it well enough but for me the main reason I didnt like it was that it didnt have the same kind of "magic" as the other Star Wars movies, it just didnt feel like the scope was big enough. Even though quite a lot happened, it felt like not much happened as well. The movie felt more like an episode of a TV show, like one of the grander GoT episodes.

So far Rogue One has been the best new SW movie for me

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The Last Jedi, pants!

I never thought I'd say this, but I now like The Force Awakens more. The only negative I had about the TFA was the whole film being almost a carbon copy of "A new hope" but what it absolutely did right was have a compelling story and reproduce the Star Wars universe with modern technology and absolutely nail it. I guess I never considered it could get worse and therefore I hated on it a bit too much. I however thoroughly enjoyed my first viewing and got goosebumps multiple times!

Discussing TLJ will unfortunately require spoilers, do not read on unless you've seen it.

Spoiler

So I have a number of issues with TLJ.

1) The way I imagine they came up with the story - The story is almost none existent, really. It came across to me like they had a bunch of set pieces they wanted to happen and then stitched a story around the set pieces. The majority of the film is about Luke hating on the old Jedi teachings, the rebels trying to outrun a ship and the Rey and Kylo will they won't they turn.

2) Killing off Snoke - He was interesting and I wanted to see more. Oh, he's dead. Right so the only possible villain is now Kylo, guess he's not going to the light side now then... I was right.

3) Killing off Luke - Luke deserved more. I know in the old films Luke wasn't some super ninja or anything but that was more a limitation of the times than anything. Making him this lame old guy that dies for using his force once was awful. Part of me liked the nod to Obi but at the same time I was looking forward to Luke and it completely missed my expectations. The only cool thing he did turned out to be fake too, right kick in the nuts that was.

4) Leia, floating Leia - Now it's been hinted that she has some connection to the force multiple times but I can't accept that she can suddenly have that much power out of the blue. Nor can I accept that she can withstand space for that long. Nope!

5) The if we stay this far away the cannons will do no damage - Enough said really. No I can't... WARP NEARER TO THEM IDIOTS!

6) Finn driving into the laser battering ram - Yeah, this super strong reinforced door is already melting but Finns face, hard as fuck!

7) Rey taking the Jedi teaching books - This 2 hours of fuck the Jedi ways you just watched, yeah she got the books anyway! Neat.

Now some things I liked:
Yoda.
The space battles.
The fight in Snokes room.
The salt effect visuals.
Poe.

I love Star Wars, but maybe the elements I love are not the elements everyone else does. I like lightsabre battles, cool force use and space battles. Give me a good story with lots of this and I'll love the film.

6.5 out of 10
(I'll see if that changes on a second viewing when it's released)

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